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Maintenance tags

I note that the recreator appears determined to make this article happen, so I'm giving it a chance at improvement rather than redirecting it immediately. However, I have tagged it for maintenance issues, because in its current state the article is still not adequate to overrule the redirect consensus that was originally established at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yekaterina Petrovna Zamolodchikova. The issues are as follows:

"Publication name, date you retrieved the URL, the end" is not a complete reference — a reference for Wikipedia content must also include the title of the individual article being referenced and the date they originally published it on. If the link ever dies, a reference which included those details is still a wholly valid reference even with the web URL stripped — but without those details, it's an unretrievable reference and the information sourced to it has become unreferenced again.
Not all of the references which have been cited here are reliable sources at all; famousbirthdays.com and iTunes, in particular, are never acceptable referencing for anything on Wikipedia ever. References must be to media coverage, and not to primary or user-generated sources. And at least two of the other four sources are blogs, which aren't much better.
Nothing stated in this article, as currently written, gets her over any of Wikipedia's subject-specific inclusion criteria — and the volume of valid sourcing present so far, which consists of one newspaper article in her own hometown newspaper and one article in a magazine, is not adequate to give her a WP:GNG pass. If you're shooting for "notable because she passes Criteron X", then there has to be a "Criterion X" that she passes — and if you're shooting for "notable because media coverage exists", then it takes more than two reliable sources to get her there.

Katya was absolutely my pick to win Drag Race too, and I was as disappointed as many other people when she got cut. But Wikipedia's inclusion standards demand a lot more than has been shown here so far. Bearcat (talk) 05:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Took care of (IMO) 1&2. Notability is a different question...Naraht (talk) 15:02, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The neutrality of this article is disputed

I added the "POV" tag to this article as this page is clearly fan-written, understandably, but not Wikipedia criteria and appears more as a Wikia page.

You can tell that whoever wrote this is putting Katya on a pedestal, with phrases like "such an outlandish fashion that it rewarded her with her first main stage win of the season", "She is famously known", "She was regularly praised by the judges for her funny performances and unconventional fashion choices on the runway" and "received high praise and gave her the second win" to count a few. The information here is somewhat vague and not exactly noteworthy, the Rupaul's Drag Race section needs to be "trimmed down" and the same for the Life After Drag Race, or at least cited. Compare this to other drag queen article, like Jinkx Monsoon, Mimi Imfurst or Bianca Del Rio, where you can see a quite different format.

--85.76.167.83 (talk) 12:20, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

POV should be good. Also got another source. Oath2order (talk) 13:42, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

Due to the recent disappointment about Katya's loss, I'm not surprised that factual edits are being reverted to convey disappointment ("she was robbed!") or rewrite history (she won...no, she really didn't.) This kind of bias undermines the case for Katya's notability. But this article is worthy of WP, and shouldn't be nominated for deletion. RuPaul's Drag Race is a major success, and is bringing drag to the mainstream. (e.g. NYT's "Why the Fashion World Is Obsessed With ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’", ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’ Highlights the Struggle for Acceptance, among many others). Contestants who perform as well as Katya has go on to have high-profile careers, touring the world, etc. Rtbhive (talk) 01:08, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Trixie mention

The part that reads, "Since the filming of Rupaul's Drag Race Season 7, McCook has been very open about his relationship with fellow contestant Trixie Mattel (otherwise known as Brian Firkus)." Shouldn't that be "open about his friendship with fellow contestant"? I checked this page while watched season 7 (well after the fact) and I completely thought they were in a romantic and sexual relationship. But since then, watching loads of videos of them together and talking about their respective relationship statuses, I see no reason to believe they were romantically involved at any point. Certainly not in a way that would be described as "very open." Is this poorly phrased and supposed to just be about how they are close friends and collaborators after the show? Or is it written by shippers who want it to be true, because I know they have a decent following as a ship.

I think they're significant enough parts of each others' professional lives for it to be worth mentioning their post-show friendship, just in a less confusing way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.181.16.100 (talk) 18:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hiatus

On 16 January 2018 Brian McCook suddenly announced via Twitter that he was going on hiatus to take care of his mental health and plans to return to performing as Katya in 2019. He has since gone dark on all social media platforms (he didn't say that the social media hiatus was until 2019, just that the drag hiatus was) and requested to be called Brian for now, possibly because part of whatever he's going through involves a work/life separation that has taken a toll on him – he has mentioned that he is a workaholic in multiple references to his anxiety issues. I think this is worth including in the article, but I'm not sure where since there is no "personal life" section. Should it just go under "Career"? Or would making a personal life section be a good idea, considering that McCook has been very forthcoming throughout his career about his struggles with drugs and mental illness?

Speaking purely personally, from the way you put it, it should go under "Career," mostly from the fact that it's a work stoppage, if nothing else. I don't know about the significance of his temporarily abandoning his stage persona specifically, but the circumstance itself warrants mention, if not all the details. Just make sure you have reliable sources to cite. Absurdist1968 (talk) 03:11, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Page name?

If you look at even just the current sources in the article, you'll see most refer to her as simply Katya. Should we move this page to Katya (drag queen), or is "Katya Zamolodchikova" a better use of natural disambiguation? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:08, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Armadillopteryx: Thoughts? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:00, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CoverGurlz

https://www.logotv.com/news/nq5ew5/rupaul-teases-covergurlz-2-new-album-with-season-7-queens-on-instagram

---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Photo

Hello, can we agree that Katya needs a better article photo? I am not against a photo of her preforming, but the one chosen is blury, and a little awkward looking.I feel like one of her professionally done glamor shots could be a better pick. ~Clarence Clarence Patch (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]